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Tuesday 13 July 2004, by EDDIE : I think most people would haave been happy if the show was called spike. Personally i think he makes a good backround character but thats all, i dont think he could have his own series. And why do people always vote for that stupid episode "I will remember you". Its basically saying that Angel was at its best with Buffy in it. Which is a load of crap. Its the other way round that Buffy was at its best with Angel in itTuesday 13 July 2004, by Lissie : EDDIE, I think people always vote for that episode because they like it, and feel it’s a good episode. In Buffy polls, Becoming wins lots, but it’s not because of Angel. It’s just a damn good episode. I personally don’t like IWRY cos they made it too easy for a vampire to become human. Joss always goes for emotions over story (as evidenced in the weak offering ‘Chosen’) but in this case I don’t think it was needed. Anyway, I do agree that Buffy’s best seasons were 2&3, but that isn’t because of Angel. Do you really believe that? In s3, he was in most episodes for about 5 minutes. Those were the best seasons because all the writers were focused on one project, and it was the only one Joss had. When Angel spun-off, lots of writing talent went over to it (like David Greenwalt) and Joss encouraged all the Buffy writers still on staff to write for Angel. While Joss left Buffy operations to Marti in s6, the people that were with Angel (like Tim Minear) didn’t leave. In any case, Buffy’s later years have given us some great episodes (Wild at Heart, Hush, This Year’s Girl, Restless, Real Me, Fool for Love, the Body, Once more With Feeling, Tabula Rasa, Dead Things, Normal Again, Lessons, Help, Selfless, Conversations with Dead People) and none of those episodes featured Angel. So, I wouldn’t say his presence made Buffy. I would say the presence of all the writers, only focused on one project, did. Also, I have to disagree with you on the Spike thing. I don’t think Joss will ever do a series with him, but the 4 2-hour movies will probably all have him in it if they are made, and one will be focused on him only. And just look at "Fool For Love" to know he can do it.Tuesday 13 July 2004, by Ayumi : OH MY GOSH! I can’t take this Spike warshipping. S/he should have left him out... he wasn’t even important. He ruin the season 5 of Angel for me.Tuesday 13 July 2004, by Anonymous : Don’t get me wrong, I love Spike, but having him number one in just about every category he was in is lame. Also, EDDIE, IWRY is not stupid, and it doesn’t mean Angel was only good with Buffy in it. I’m going to guess your a Cordy/Angel shipper, and have no brains of the depth on Buffy and Angel’s relationship.Wednesday 14 July 2004, by Anonymous : Buffy was NEVER as good as Angel. Angel is dark and adult, while Buffy was a teenage soap opera a la My-So-Called-Life with vampires (as Marti Noxon herself, the EXECUTIVE PRODUCER called it, and I think she’d know more about the show than you). After Angel left Btvs, it was never as popular again, so he was a big part of it. Almost no one watched it when it moved to UPN, but in Angel’s last year it was the only WB show that improved in the ratings! If you do not get Angel, you are probably a teenager. In that case, you would like Buffy more, which is a more bubble-gum show, even though they did do adult episodes like when her mother died. Maybe when you get to your 20s you’ll understand the drama Angel goes through, and appreciate it more. Until then, don’t talk about something you haven’t expierenced. Maybe when Angel comes out on DVD more people will get into it, and there will be a movie, like Firefly had happen to it. From this poll, I’m judging Buffy won’t be in it. They have to have DB, but not Spike, he took all the scenes away from Gunn and Fred and Wesley, just like he did in Buffys 7th season from the Buffy cast. It might of well have been called Spike, not Angel. But it would be ok if Giles and Willow came, as long as they didn’t show Willow’s girlfriend. And Giles doesn’t take scenes away from Angel and Gunn and Illyria. And yes, they all survived! How else could they make a movie if they didn’t? And don’t say flashbacks, DB can’t do an accent, and Spike may have to be in the flashbacks. Wow this is long, I’m just wanting to say so you will stop talking about things you don’t understand, but this is just my opinion.Wednesday 14 July 2004, by EDDIE : All i am trying to say is that IWRY was a pointless episode thrown in to keep the fans of the Buffy/Angel romance happy. Personally I think that the " the trial" should have at least made the top 3. P.S I think the Angel/Cordy relationship was the worst thing to happen to the show. No sorry the Conner/Cordy thing was the worst.Wednesday 14 July 2004, by kitty : The only reason Spike didn’t get a spin-off? Because DB had one already. You guys sound about 12 years old squabbling over this! Seeing as the author already stated "The one thing that surprised me this time was how varied the individual choices were" It shows that no, it wasn’t just passed around a Spike fansite. These are valid results and they show what they do because Spike was simply a very popular character in the Jossverse. It’s over now. Move on!Thursday 15 July 2004, by aussie mum : Somehow 150 people out of all the angel fans does not seem much of a pole to me! The poll sounds as reliable as the tv ratings. While Spike did a great job the show had a great team of actors led by the fabulous DB before he arrived. Angel’s multi-faceted character was the reason I watched every episode.Thursday 15 July 2004, by jobuffy : come on people! we should celebrate the greatness of the buffyverse, not squabble about who was best. I love Spike but i do agree that it is a bit unfair to let him claim the glory for angel when clearly angel put a lot more into it. however, spike does have more charisma (no pun intended). i think we should just love it as a whole and pray someone does decide to do a movie or TV movie. go Joss go!!Thursday 15 July 2004, by Anonymous : You watch Ats because of Angel? Yipes. Thats like saying you watch btvs for Buffy.Thursday 15 July 2004, by Anonymous : I don’t know why it’s so hard to believe that Spike really won all those categories. He’s been one of the biggest fan-favorites throughout the run of BOTH series, largely b/c of JM’s magnetic performance. Yes, he is extremely hot as well, but blaming it on that is just too easy. P.S. Angel was never a better show than Buffy; just because the characters spent more time whining and moping doesn’t mean they were more mature. Buffy was all about growing up, and was often very dark and complex, even before the supposed ’dark years.’ On the surface it may have seemed like a regular WB teen soap, but the writing was mature and nuanced. Actually, Angel seems to incorporate WAY more soap opera elements than Buffy ever did. (Don’t get me wrong, I like both series.) Thursday 15 July 2004, by Miya : ooops *blush* I copied her message instead I just wanted to say that I totally agree with her, sorry!!Friday 16 July 2004, by Anonymous : who voted for the best episode? was it mostly under 10 year olds? I enjoyed smile time just as much as most, but no way could it be no 1Monday 19 July 2004, by Mina : Whoa,loads of sour grapes. The show is over, can’t we all just get along? I’m for anything that helps get a spin-off of some kind going, and if Spike’s apparent popularity is it, then go, Spike, go! I liked Angel as a character too, though he did have a touch of the table lamp in his persona - which I think accounts for these results. Also, he didn’t do as many nekkid scenes, and that does count, I’m thinking. Whoever said the characters on AtS were not more mature - I agree. Mopier and darker doesn’t equal more mature, and I think they were going through the exact same growth experiences (in different ways) as the BtVS cast. Angel never got to come to a big milestone the way Buffy did though at her finale. (Curses on the WB!!) These comments are an anwser to this article : Atnzone.com - The Angel Series Finale Opinion Poll
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