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A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

Saturday 5 March 2005, by Webmaster

It’s a Hoax, for actors publicity only...

For more than a decade, Writer/Producer/Director Joss Whedon has been synonymous with the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" franchise, so much so that it seems inconceivable that anyone would even attempt to launch a new film or television series about the legendary super heroine without him. But strangely enough, that was, or maybe still is, a plan in the works.

"It’s a major misnomer to call Joss the ’creator’ of the Buffy Summers character," says a Sony executive who asked not to be identified. "As wonderful as Joss’ writing is, he didn’t come up with that character. He got the gig to do the first movie as a write-for-hire job. He wasn’t thrilled with what they did to his script and smartly managed to gain control of the TV series but really, ’Buffy’ isn’t his baby."

The original "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" movie came out in 1992 and starred Kristy Swanson as ’The Chosen One’ sent to save the world from demons. The 20th Century Fox film, scripted by hired gun Joss Whedon, was directed by Fran Rubel Kuzui, who also produced the motion picture with Kaz Kuzui. Whedon, after complaining loudly about the production team responsible for "ruining his script," managed to land a deal with Fox to produce the TV version in 1997, garnering creative control over the Buffy character. The Kuzui’s were attached as Executive Producers on the show (which aired for five seasons on the WB network before moving to UPN) but wielded no real power on the series, which is largely where things got sticky.

"Joss did a tremendous job expanding on the Buffy character and its mythology," says the Sony executive. "Aside from Buffy’s parents, who were unnamed in the movie, the only character from the movie to cross over to the series was the Slayer herself. Characters like Spike, Giles, Xander, the Master, Glory...that was all Joss."

However, somewhere along the way, egos were bruised, finances were disputed, and a rift occurred between Whedon and the franchise’s original "parents" with the Kuzui’s attempting to continue on with their own version of the super heroine...all without Whedon.

"I don’t think I’m revealing any big trade secrets in Hollywood by mentioning that a script had been circulating for years for a proposed big-screen Buffy sequel that would’ve been produced by the Kuzui’s with absolutely no involvement whatsoever from Joss," says the Sony exec. "The script was rather convoluted, I thought, and focused more on a male slayer character than Buffy, which made little sense to me...but make no mistake, the Kuzui’s retained the rights to continue with their own interpretation and as far as I know, remain well within their rights to do a new Buffy movie or series without having to consult with Joss."

If that’s not confusing, to further complicate matters, two years ago, a third party reportedly jumped into the fray, just after Whedon announced that he was ending Buffy’s run on UPN in 2003. The plan, according to Hollywood sources, was to create a completely separate TV program with a new actress taking over from series star Sarah Michelle Gellar.

"I was contacted by a producer — whose name I won’t mention — and asked to submit ’Joss Whedon-type material’," says "Communication Breakdown" director Richard O’Sullivan. "This was during the period in which I was first starting to pitch ’Breach of Heaven’ as a TV series and the obvious comparisons came up since they’re both kind of in the same genre. They wanted something ’Whedonesque’ but didn’t really give me any details about what the project was."

Part of O’Sullivan’s writing sample was subsequently leaked by a disgruntled former associate to Harry Knowles’ Ain’t It Cool News website, which initially reported it as the 2003/2004 season opener of Buffy’s sister show, "Angel," thus sparking a debate among Whedon fans about the script’s validity.

"At first I freaked," says O’Sullivan. "I thought, ’Fuck, the whole thing just went up in smoke.’ But then, my phone rang."

O’Sullivan says the producers of the proposed show concocted a plan to use the controversy to their advantage. The idea was to continue with plans to secure the rights to the Buffy character from the Kazui’s (who still had the option to use the main character from the movie, though not the characters or character histories from Whedon’s series), but now they wanted to rush a pilot into "top secret" production and book Screen Gems studios in Wilmington, N.C. (host to such series as "Dawson’s Creek" and "One Tree Hill") to serve as the home for the new show.

"I was offered a producer’s credit in exchange for basically acting as the ’front man’ for the pilot," says O’Sullivan. "They wanted to do business as ’Breach of Heaven,’ cast as ’Breach of Heaven,’ basically tell everyone we were making the ’Breach of Heaven’ pilot...but then when the cast and crew showed up, shoot the pilot for the new Buffy."

O’Sullivan was asked to script the pilot, with specific instructions given that the story would not be set in Sunnydale nor would it include characters from Whedon’s shows, other than Buffy and the odd mention of the Slayer’s mother, who was not to ever be referred to as "Joyce" (since "Joyce Summers" was a specific creation of Whedon).

The end result, which carried the working title "Slayer: The Adventures of Buffy Summers," picked up some 90 years in the future with the heroine frozen in time, literally turned to wood, and part of an art piece depicting a war between humans and demons.

"The idea was that at some point after the turn of the new millennium, a great battle took place between good and evil and for whatever reason, a powerful mystical force froze Buffy and the demons she was fighting for almost a century," says O’Sullivan. "When the story opens, a tour guide is explaining to a group of school kids — a mixture of humans and demons — that the world 90 years ago was a much different, less tolerant place."

Naturally, Buffy is released from the spell, and, after disposing of the demons she had been frozen with for nine decades, is forced to deal with the new inter-dimensional world order.

"It was a very Patton-after-the-war type script," says O’Sullivan. "Here you had Buffy, instantly transported to a new place in time, all her friends gone, the war she had fought since she was sixteen years old over...not knowing who to trust, not knowing how to deal with the fact that she’s not supposed to be fighting the monsters she was brought forth to kill. Plus, now she has to wrap her head around concepts like vampires and demons having free will and coexisting with humans in everyday life. It was an interesting new dynamic and not just a rehash of roads already traveled."

Plans for the series, which was being geared toward syndication or cable, were put on hold last year after negotiations to secure the rights stalled amidst the predictable legal wrangling. O’Sullivan believes, however, that the show, which likely would have starred Polish-born actress Aleks West (whom O’Sullivan later cast in his film "Communication Breakdown") would still make for some interesting television.

"Don’t get me wrong," says the filmmaker. "I’m a huge Joss Whedon fan. What he did with that series, and with ’Angel,’ was groundbreaking stuff. It blew the original movie away and I actually found Fran Kuzui’s film to be rather entertaining. But I think there are still so many different directions you can take that character."

Currently, plans remain in the works to bring O’Sullivan’s "Breach of Heaven" — presumably the real "Breach of Heaven’ this time — to television.

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20 Forum messages

  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    5 March 2005 16:52, by Anonymous
    Heresy ! It just wouldn’t be the same, and frankly, sounds convoluted and like so much garbage !
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    5 March 2005 16:56, by Anonymous
    This is what must go on when they greenlight trash like "Mis Congeniality 2" or "Dirty Dancing: Havanna Nights", just less talented people making cheap excuses for sequels. What an embarassing state of mind.
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    5 March 2005 17:00, by LiaM
    that’s just ... awfull, the story they wrote is abysmal, and No Joss=bad story... I hope they don’t get to do that
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    5 March 2005 18:08, by Anonymous
    this O’Sullivan fellow keeps posting a great lot of wonderful fiction about himself, and that turkey of a film, "Communication Breakdown." This guy is just some small potatoes director posting false Buffy rumors involving him and his movie on his website in the hopes someone will take it as real news.
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    5 March 2005 18:25, by Anonymous
    OMG this is sacrelige of the highest order. This is basicly taking the best character ever though of, ripping her name and abilities off of a horrible movie, and marketing it to see if it gets waves becasue it has Buffy in the title. Joss Whedon would have never thought of this horrible idea. I can not even fathom how up in arms buffy fans will be over this.
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    5 March 2005 20:24, by Shandy22

    I agree with simone, if there going to creat a new Buffy based show they have to at least keep some of the characters like Spike and Willow. How could they even think of doing a show with out other cast members of Joss Whedons Buffy.

    Me preferably would rather another series of Buffy be done by Joss Whedon,(even if it does mean doing it with out Sarah Michelle Gellar, which would be strange.) Joss Whedon has a great imagination and his script work was totally amazing on both Buffy and Angel. I live in hope to see more of Joss’s work with Buffy and Angel. work with them

  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    5 March 2005 21:26, by Michelle

    What a crock of shite! No Joss Whedon?! None of his characters, either, which is all of them—Spike, Willow, Xander, Giles, Dawn, Faith, Angel—none of them will be there. There won’t even be Buffy ’cause for better worse, SMG is Buffy, the Vampire Slayer, no substitutes accepted. So take what’s-her-face, your sorry excuse for a script and stick it where the sun don’t shine, you money-grubbing attention whore!

    God, I can only hope that a previous commentor is right and this is just empty-talk. Not that I’d accept this trash as canon any more than I do the original movie, but I don’t want my last memory of Buffy to be this garbage.

  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    5 March 2005 21:33, by alias
    Alright, well first of all...if they come out with a series like that, I would die before I’d watch it. Most of the fans love the show because it’s down to earth, but mixes with the paranormal all at the same time. Having Buffy frozen and brought back in a demon/human living-together world, would be so stupid! Doing a show like that would totally and completely ruin the whole story line, and embarrass the original Buffy/Angel shows, all together. Plus, if they casted THAT actress to play as Buffy...I would never ever watch it at all. I think I speak for all the Buffy/Angel fans, when I say, "Doing a new series like that, is retarded."
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    5 March 2005 23:30, by Danae

    this article made me laugh. i have one thing to say: bullshit.

    haha...buffy isn’t joss’ baby...haha, yeah right! they’re a riot.

  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    6 March 2005 02:02, by Anonymous
    THIS IS A HOAX! Apparently the man responsible for this has done this MANY times before just for fun.
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    6 March 2005 02:39, by JC
    WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!!!!!
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    6 March 2005 02:45, by Carrie S. Burlington, VT

    After reading this article I’m not sure if I want to boycott this new show or barf in disgust.

    The original Buffy movie was absolute garbage, the worst movie i’ve ever seen. I’m perfectly fine if they took Kristy Swanson type character and put her into a bizzaro world, although I would never watch it.

    I was absolutly appalled when this "anonymous source" claimed that Buffy was not Joss’s baby. Sure buffy was invented by someone else, but Joss adopted this child, loved it and rasied it as his own. The character then grew into something so incredible that it’s parents’ wanted to take the credit for it’s accomplishments in the world.

    I for one would never watch anything Buffy related if Joss Whedon was not involved in any portion of the production process. And before I would ever watch another Buffy or Angel themed movie and/or series, Buffy and all of it’s characters must be portrayed by the original actors.

    In my opinion the Buffy: The Vampire Slayer mythos should rest in peace.

  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    6 March 2005 03:05, by Andrea
    Any true Buffy fan wouldn’t watch a buffy series with Joss. It just wouldn’t be right.
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    6 March 2005 03:09, by Wolverine68
    A new idea is always a good thing. Before you bash it, give it a chance.
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    6 March 2005 05:41, by raven
    Wait, what? This totally doesn’t make any sense. It is not buffy if SMG and the whole cast is there, it’s not the same show and shouldn’t have the title buffy in it. Joss and his crew are the only people who can use the buffy name and story, anyone else just makes it look and sound like crap...see above article
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    6 March 2005 11:00, by Thomas
    All I can say is that if they go through with this monstrousity, they had better be ready for some major scruteny like is happening in this forum. And doesn’t it make you wonder if this is BS or not since this "sony-excutive" doesn’t wish to say his/her name? I wonder what would happen if they were made known to the world. I guess what I am getting at is that because they arent wanting to let themselves be known for this supposed news of a new series is because they are just wanting to watch out for any "bridges being burned" by their actions. Im sure this person knows Joss and this would totally screw his career. But just like this news-story we all have read, what Im saying here is all heresay as well. I personally dont think that Joss would allow this to happen without his hand in the works. The again, if this is true (what is said about Joss’s part in the original Buffy Movie and this possibility of a new spin-off) then God help us all that it doesnt destroy what we all have learned to love in the Buffy/Angelverse that we all adore.
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    7 March 2005 00:42, by Joe
    Funniest thing I’ve ever heard. This show would suck. Whatever, I don’t think we have anything to worry about.
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    7 March 2005 17:20, by Gonzo
    No way, i think it would really suck to do a buffy without any original cast in it!
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    8 March 2005 09:14, by Anonymous
    not the greatest sounding script.. but if they had sarah to play buffy id eagerly watch it ... but that isnt going to happen; i would welcome additional shows to the "buffyverse" u just CANT have another actress play buffy.. just wrong.. make her some other slayer
  • > A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon ?

    24 March 2005 04:48, by Chandler
    I’m so sorry, but this is just stupid garbage! Don’t get me wrong It’s an idea but one that should never be put to screen.